Discussion:
Yaesu FT-100D Vs Kenwood TS-570S(G)
ve7baq
2008-05-06 18:57:13 UTC
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Has anyone compared the Yaesu FT-100D to the Kenwood TS-570S or the
Kenwood TS-570S (G) for sensitivity audio quality etc.? I had a Ft-
100D some years ago and sold it. I have had couple of other rigs since
then but when I heard the quality of the received signal of an FT-570D
I was sold but now with the bands getting more noisy etc. in my area I
am wondering it the FT-100D might be a good choice. By chance I have
an FT-100D coming, but I cannot afford both rigs so one will have to
go. The Yaesu is nice and small and lends itself to a mobile
installation that is one thing in its favor. The various Kenwood
controls are much easier to access. Any thoughts would be greatly
accepted. Please, no slams on either rig as you know the
saying, "Everybody is some mother's Son." Einar, VE7BAQ
Ron Spatafora
2008-05-06 20:10:41 UTC
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I had/have (I'm finishing up some mods) a FT-100, and sold it to my best
friend & soon to be General. I looked @ everything, and although I had
originally thought 857 or 897, period, it turned out it was down to IC-7000
or TS-B2000. Best bang for the buck & performance - B2000. My 100 was more
sensitive then another friend of mine who has a 857. Needless to say the 100
is one heck of a all around radio, old or not. Of course $$$$$ plays a big
part in picking a new rig, and I came into a little windfall, so my options
opened up a little!



73 de Ron KE5FMR



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John Geiger
2008-05-06 20:34:36 UTC
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I found the NB on the TS570 series wasn't that good.
The FT100D has a much better noise blanker when it
came to reducing all of the crud you get from living
in an urban area. The one on the TS570 just didn't do
near as much. I think the noise reduction is better
on the FT100D as well. The noise reduction on the
TS570 is pretty worthless on SSB, but it does do
pretty good on CW. The TS570 has some nice features
on it but I think the FT100D beats it in raw
performance.

73s John AA5JG
Post by Ron Spatafora
I had/have (I'm finishing up some mods) a FT-100,
and sold it to my best
and although I had
originally thought 857 or 897, period, it turned out
it was down to IC-7000
or TS-B2000. Best bang for the buck & performance -
B2000. My 100 was more
sensitive then another friend of mine who has a 857.
Needless to say the 100
is one heck of a all around radio, old or not. Of
course $$$$$ plays a big
part in picking a new rig, and I came into a little
windfall, so my options
opened up a little!
73 de Ron KE5FMR
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Ron Spatafora
2008-05-06 20:43:30 UTC
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Can't comment on the TS-570, BUT the NB on the TS-B2000 isn't all that great
either, certainly NOT as dynamic as the FT-100. But what the 2000 does have
is built in filters which work great and there is a Notch Filter, besides
the plethora of straight DSP HI and LO filters, and it works great. The
combination makes signal cleanup better than the 100, but it's 3x the price,
you'd expect something for the diff, but it's NOT the NB. Once again, the
FT-100 is hard to beat unless you go 3x.



Good point, John, as usual!



73 de Ron KE5FMR



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jeraldvolpe
2008-05-07 14:19:00 UTC
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I have both transceivers, in fact I have two FT-100Ds... one in the
car and one in my 'Go Bag'... but it is usually used on a secondary
position in the shack. I use both transceivers regularly, but I will
state up front that a Ten-Tec Orion is my primary. Although neither
the FT-570S nor the FT-100D are Orion class that in no way means they
are poor choices. They are 'different' in many regards though... so I
apply them differently.

However, let me state my observations:
1. The Kenwood is ergonomically far easier to use. Routine and not so
routine controls are readily available with out having to access any
menus, yet a good selection of menus exists under the surface to
'characterize' the transceiver more to your requirements.

Even though I am comfortable with the FT-100Ds menus from using it
mobile for some time now.... its menus system is tedious at best. That
is really the same for all 'mobile' designed rigs that incorporate but
a few front panel controls/buttons and require that your dig through
waves of menus to change what you are doing. The FT-100D's menu bar is
nicely laid out but only cycles in one direction often requiring that
you step through it numerous times, etc. There are also some glaring
omissions as well. You have a clarifier (RIT) but no XIT. This makes
operating split when chasing DX (for example) more difficult... and
the FT-100D's inability to indicate what your temporary split is while
still showing your main frequency is a problem as well. Operating
SPLIT with the FT-100D is, because of the menu system, is also overly
complicated.

2. I have both the standard 500Hz and the optional 300Hz CW filters in
my FT-100D, but I find little usable difference between them. The
DSP's BPF position can be 'menu' controlled to provide a far better
narrow-band signal-to-noise than what you get with either CW filter
alone.... However, the TS-570DG configured with the optional 500Hz CW
filter (or you could opt for the 250 Hz filter but not both)is far
more usable with an excellent variable DSP CW bandpass that provides a
quieter receive with, in my opinion, a better 'note' (not as many DSP
signal artifacts).

3. The FT-100D (late model) somewhat noisy cooling fans come on every
time I PTT or key down regardless of how brief the transmission (small
case demands it) while the TS-570DG's fan is so quiet I am never sure
when it is running. I find this fan noise acceptable in the mobile
setting but a bit much in the station.

4. The FT-100D doesn't have a front panel headphone jack. Plugging
your headphones into the rear speaker jack can be initially over
powering. It is also a chore to use a good headset/boom mic with the
FT-100D although I have accomplished it. Neither are issues with the
TS-570DG.

5. Other necessary operating changes, such as altering your output
power, or changing keyer speed, etc., is simple with the Kenwood...
once again the differences between a transceiver designed for desktop
versus mobile use. So let's just agree that the Kenwood is easier to
use and concentrate on performance.

6. The FT-100D has an excellent noise blanker (at least in my Honda
Accord V-6) and what I believe to be a very good receive front end. I
think the AGC is overly aggressive resulting in a higher apparent
noise floor (although you can reduce the RF Gain down to mediate this
somewhat). I find the Kenwood's AGC also overly aggressive, but not as
much. The Kenwood's RF Gain control is overly compressed making
adjustments tighter than they should be (an observation shared by the
TS-570's designer). The FT-100D's DSP works well, but I like the
Kenwood's better as it is easier to adjust and sounds more natural to me.

7. The Kenwood's receiver stands up well when compared to the Orion,
while the FT-100D doesn't appear to hear as well... but this is
probably more an issue of the FT-100D's more aggressive AGC than
anything else.

8. I don't have the TCXO option in my Kenwood but find it's stability
more than adequate in the fixed station environment. A TXCO is
available but expensive. The FT-100D has the TCXO option and as I use
it both mobile and portable (outdoors), I like that.

9. SSB voice quality. I continually obtain unsolicited 'excellent'
voice reports with the Kenwood (I use a Heil boom mic). My FT-100D
only has the Yaesu hand mic... never received 'great audio' reports
but no complaints either.

____________________________________

If I could have only one and it was to be used in the station (and VHF
and above are either not important or taken care of with another rig)
then the Kenwood is the clear winner for me. Of course the opposite is
true in a mobile environment. Regarding VHF, I think would I buy again
I would buy the TS-570SG rather than the DG model have six meter ability.

Hope some of this is useful. Conclusion.... each transceiver has its
strengths.... the FT-100D is designed where small size is paramount.
Small size dictates ergonomic compromises. For that reason ALONE I
wouldn't have it for my main 'in shack' rig. Then again I wouldn't
want to cram the Kenwood in my car either.

73,
Jerry, KG6TT

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