Discussion:
FT100D No TX on any band
fraser3914
2007-05-31 14:37:14 UTC
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Hello,,, I have FT100D which DOES receive okay on all bands but will
NOT transmit any power on any band, and I can hear the tx signal on a
local/bench receiver, the measured power output at the antenna sockets
is around 10uW... the drive level I have measured is around minus
55dBm,,if I put -10dBm up the PA modules from my signal generator I get
around 15-20Watts output so I think the PA section is working fine,,,so
I have now run out if ideas of where to check next it seems that what
ever the fault is is common to all bands but for tx only,,anyone any
ideas what to look at next,,

rgds Fraser G8FEZ
Terry
2007-06-05 12:23:30 UTC
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Hello all,

Well I tried my best to fix this radio, but I had to give up in the end,
couldn't find anything wrong with it given my electronics skills and the
equipment I have.

I found a local repairer who would (reluctantly) look at it for me, and he
found a -8V regulator and capacitor failed, somewhere around the
microprocessor, caused by a related inductor having shorted turns (probably
caused by me).
That was good, problem was Vertex Standard Aust. didn't have the parts in
stock so it was a 3 week wait to source from the US.
All fixed now, and I will be checking power settings VERY carefully from now
on.

The official Oz Yaesu agent didn't want to touch it btw.

Cheers
Terry
vk3kda Melbourne

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry" <vk3tyf-/***@public.gmane.org>
To: <FT100-***@public.gmane.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: [FT100] I need a bit of help guys
I have had my FT100 for about 3 years and had a great time with it and no
problems. However.....
I recently inadvertently transmitted 100% power AM into an unmatched
antenna, for about 10 seconds.
Now I have no Tx output on any band, HF, VHF and UHF, full power
indication, and HiSWR icon.
Also no Rx on any band, not even noise, although FM mute works.
I have the covers off and can neither see or smell any cooked components
on any board.
The grounding and fan mods were already done before the accident, and I
have no idea what happened.
I installed the AM filter sucessfully a while ago, so I am game to poke
around in there, but I don't know what I am looking for,
can anyone give me a clue where to start?
Cheers,
Terry
VK3KDA
Melbourne. Oz
vk2zty
2007-10-29 10:46:45 UTC
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Hi,

I've just fixed my rig with the same symptoms (Serial no begins 9J).
Just to put a fix on public record...

A key bit of info is the state of the ALC. If the ALC meter is reading
high then the ALC drive circuit is faulty - if so read on:

ALC is generated by comparing forward power, reverse power and total
current draw of the rig against thresholds controlled in the 'Hidden
Function' Menu' and OR'ing the output. You can diagnose which ALC
section is the culprit by changing the ALC menu settings in
turn, after noting original values, and seeing if the rig comes back
to life. (Safest way to do this is in CW mode, keyed by the mic - no
RF is generated but DC is running on the ALC circuit).

By changing these settings you may now have a 'working' rig and a
diagnosis and have to decide whether you want to fix it properly, or
live without the protection of whichever ALC circuit you have now
disabled in software.

In my case the fault was in the IC ALC circuit - it was overestimating
the current draw of the rig. In HF or VHF mode respectively, if I
changed Menu F11 or F12 to 256 then the ALC reading dropped and the
transmit chain came magically back to life.

I couldn't stop myself fixing it. Total rig current draw is sensed on
the PA board using half Q3009 and resistor network sensing the voltage
drop across T3004. You can probe the IC line without removing the PA
board as there is an accessible via close to J3004. In my case
IC was never dropping below 2V whereas it should have been much lower.
Turned out to be relative drift in the values of the R3041 and R3042
which are meant to be 0.1% but have no markings to prove it. Replaced
these and all came good. Less than 1 cent worth of components.

One dead end - at first I thought it was Q3009 and replaced that
first. In retrospect the easy diagnosis is to short pins 2 and 3 on
Q3009 together - if pin 1 drops to 0 then you've probably got a good
chip, so concentrate on the resistors. For interest LM358D is the
replacement I used for this chip and probably would also do for Q1060,
Q1062 and Q1065 on the main board. LM2904 is an even better match but
hard to get. Anyway, I admit it, I wasted 50 cents and a bit of time.

(If IC line is near 0 and you still have fault then you need to look
around Q1060 on the main board. That is where IC gets compared to IALC
output from processor. Luckily Q1060 is accessable on Side A.)

The PA board is not too hard to remove and DC bench test if you are
careful. You do not need to desolder any of the RF power transistors.
Remove all screws, disconnect cables and it all comes out as one unit.
You can run it up safely in isolation on DC with 13.8V to
the normal power input, and a link between pins 5 and 11 on J3004.
Need to replace heat sink goo when refitting, pay special attention -
can also take the opportunity to buff the casting where the power
transistors mount.

Scary thing is that the component drift could have been in the other
direction and silently disabled IC ALC. Wonder how much of that is
going on elsewhere in the rig...

Hope this helps, 73,
Nick VK2ZTY
Post by fraser3914
Hello,,, I have FT100D which DOES receive okay on all bands but will
NOT transmit any power on any band, and I can hear the tx signal on a
local/bench receiver, the measured power output at the antenna sockets
is around 10uW... the drive level I have measured is around minus
55dBm,,if I put -10dBm up the PA modules from my signal generator I get
around 15-20Watts output so I think the PA section is working fine,
w1pa
2010-10-25 18:38:15 UTC
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Post by vk2zty
A key bit of info is the state of the ALC. If the ALC meter is reading
ALC is generated by comparing forward power, reverse power and total
current draw of the rig against thresholds controlled in the 'Hidden
Function' Menu' and OR'ing the output. You can diagnose which ALC
section is the culprit by changing the ALC menu settings in
turn, after noting original values, and seeing if the rig comes back
to life. (Safest way to do this is in CW mode, keyed by the mic - no
RF is generated but DC is running on the ALC circuit).
Can someone who has had this problem describe _specifically_ what the ALC looks like if it has the fault?

e.g. Place the rig in CW mode, meter set to show ALC, key the mic (MOX), press the key and ALC goes to 10 segments (and stays there)

...or does it show high ALC before you press the key? or is "high" ALC more than 5 segments? How many ALC segments should light in CW? in SSB? does the ALC reading stay high, or decay when you hold the key down?

Or is the best way to actually check the ALC voltage at the PCB via he mentions?

I think I have a 100 with this, but want to confirm before I pull the board and replace the resistors.

Bill W1PA
n***@public.gmane.org
2010-10-25 21:26:27 UTC
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1) Go to any band with no power output.
2) Put the radio in LSB or USB.
3) Press the PTT on the mic and talk or whistle

If your ALC meter goes full scale... then you have a problem with your\
ALC circuit that is preventing power output on any band (I think I had 7
lines on my ALC meter when I had no output power on any band).

Then to double-check that the problem is your ALC circuit.

1) Press the A, B, and C buttons while turning your radio on (accessing
the hidden menu).
2) Press the FUNC button to access your setup menu.
3) Tune to menu F11 (HF IC ALC) and F12 (V/UHF IC ALC) and adjust
them to read 255 (note and right down your original values).
4) Press the FUNC button to save those settings.
5) Got to any band with no power output
6) Put the radio in LSB or USB
7) Press the PTT on the mic and talk or whistle.

If your ALC circuit is bad... then once you turn F11 and F12 up to 255,
you should have output power. I had full power out on my radio when I
did this. Burghardts replaces 6 smd resistors. If you're good at working
with smd resistors or if you know someone that is... I can tell you which
resistors Burghardts replaced.

Mike - N1EVH

-------Original Message-------

From: w1pa
Date: 10/25/10 14:38:31
To: FT100-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [FT100] Re: FT100D No TX on any band
Post by vk2zty
A key bit of info is the state of the ALC. If the ALC meter is reading
ALC is generated by comparing forward power, reverse power and total
current draw of the rig against thresholds controlled in the 'Hidden
Function' Menu' and OR'ing the output. You can diagnose which ALC
section is the culprit by changing the ALC menu settings in
turn, after noting original values, and seeing if the rig comes back
to life. (Safest way to do this is in CW mode, keyed by the mic - no
RF is generated but DC is running on the ALC circuit).
Can someone who has had this problem describe _specifically_ what the ALC
looks like if it has the fault?

e.g. Place the rig in CW mode, meter set to show ALC, key the mic (MOX),
press the key and ALC goes to 10 segments (and stays there)

...or does it show high ALC before you press the key? or is "high" ALC more
than 5 segments? How many ALC segments should light in CW? in SSB? does the
ALC reading stay high, or decay when you hold the key down?

Or is the best way to actually check the ALC voltage at the PCB via he
mentions?

I think I have a 100 with this, but want to confirm before I pull the board
and replace the resistors.

Bill W1PA



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w1pa
2010-10-26 04:13:34 UTC
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Post by n***@public.gmane.org
If your ALC meter goes full scale... then you have a problem with your\
ALC circuit that is preventing power output on any band (I think I had 7
lines on my ALC meter when I had no output power on any band).
Thanks Mike. I have the info on the parts, tolerance, and location. Just wanted to make sure what I am seeing jives with the rest of you.

Bill W1PA
w1pa
2010-11-02 17:29:55 UTC
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Any idea what makes these 0.1% SMDs drift? current?

Should I be exploring swapping them with 1/8w resistors instead?

Bill W1PA



--- In FT100-***@public.gmane.org, "***@..." <***@...> wrote:
Burghardts replaces 6 smd resistors. If you're good at working
Post by n***@public.gmane.org
with smd resistors or if you know someone that is... I can tell you which
resistors Burghardts replaced.
n***@public.gmane.org
2010-11-02 18:02:23 UTC
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I wish I knew what was making them drift.

For awhile I thought maybe there was a batch batch of smd
resistors (I've heard other electronics manufactures say they got
a bad batch of certain parts).... but I've seen FT-100's (non-D and
D versions) having this problem. So since the the FT-100D came
out like 2 or so years after the FT-100 first came out... that kind
of rules out that theory.

I just think its something that everyone needs to be on the lookout
for with their FT-100's... even if they say... I've had my FT-100 for
8 years and no problems.

Mike - N1EVH

-------Original Message-------

From: w1pa
Date: 11/02/10 13:30:00
To: FT100-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [FT100] Re: FT100D No TX on any band

Any idea what makes these 0.1% SMDs drift? current?

Should I be exploring swapping them with 1/8w resistors instead?

Bill W1PA



--- In FT100-***@public.gmane.org, "***@..." <***@...> wrote:
Burghardts replaces 6 smd resistors. If you're good at working
Post by n***@public.gmane.org
with smd resistors or if you know someone that is... I can tell you which
resistors Burghardts replaced.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
prakashk7
2010-11-14 13:50:15 UTC
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I am requesting for info of these SMD resistors. Can someone help me out on this, please. I tried to contact Mike N1EVH but was not successful.
Thanks and 73s.
Prakash
VU2PKX
Post by n***@public.gmane.org
I wish I knew what was making them drift.
For awhile I thought maybe there was a batch batch of smd
resistors (I've heard other electronics manufactures say they got
a bad batch of certain parts).... but I've seen FT-100's (non-D and
D versions) having this problem. So since the the FT-100D came
out like 2 or so years after the FT-100 first came out... that kind
of rules out that theory.
I just think its something that everyone needs to be on the lookout
for with their FT-100's... even if they say... I've had my FT-100 for
8 years and no problems.
Mike - N1EVH
-------Original Message-------
From: w1pa
Date: 11/02/10 13:30:00
Subject: [FT100] Re: FT100D No TX on any band
Any idea what makes these 0.1% SMDs drift? current?
Should I be exploring swapping them with 1/8w resistors instead?
Bill W1PA
Burghardts replaces 6 smd resistors. If you're good at working
Post by n***@public.gmane.org
with smd resistors or if you know someone that is... I can tell you which
resistors Burghardts replaced.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
n***@public.gmane.org
2010-11-17 15:40:26 UTC
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Prakash... I sen you 2 replies direct in regards to the 6 smd resistors
that were replaced in my radio... but you apparently never got them. A
couple of days ago... I posted a message in this group saying which
smd resistors got replaced.

Try checking your junk/spam folder and see if there are any e-mails from
me in regards to the smd resistors that got replaced.

Mike - N1EVH

-------Original Message-------

From: prakashk7
Date: 11/17/2010 10:34:57 AM
To: FT100-***@public.gmane.org
Subject: [FT100] Re: FT100D No TX on any band

I am requesting for info of these SMD resistors. Can someone help me out on
this, please. I tried to contact Mike N1EVH but was not successful.
Thanks and 73s.
Prakash
VU2PKX
Post by n***@public.gmane.org
I wish I knew what was making them drift.
For awhile I thought maybe there was a batch batch of smd
resistors (I've heard other electronics manufactures say they got
a bad batch of certain parts).... but I've seen FT-100's (non-D and
D versions) having this problem. So since the the FT-100D came
out like 2 or so years after the FT-100 first came out... that kind
of rules out that theory.
I just think its something that everyone needs to be on the lookout
for with their FT-100's... even if they say... I've had my FT-100 for
8 years and no problems.
Mike - N1EVH
-------Original Message-------
From: w1pa
Date: 11/02/10 13:30:00
Subject: [FT100] Re: FT100D No TX on any band
Any idea what makes these 0.1% SMDs drift? current?
Should I be exploring swapping them with 1/8w resistors instead?
Bill W1PA
Burghardts replaces 6 smd resistors. If you're good at working
Post by n***@public.gmane.org
with smd resistors or if you know someone that is... I can tell you which
resistors Burghardts replaced.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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